Okay, I rarely blog, but even if I updated more often I doubt I would ever blog much about my slush pile in any specific way (other than how far behind I am on it). That is because while a lot of other agents frequently write about their query stats, and I know a lot of readers enjoy such posts, I personally find it... boring.

There, I've said it: I find reading about other people's slush boring, for the most part. That is absolutely not a criticism of agents who write about their slush or readers who like to read about it--I think these posts provide a valuable resource, and are often both hilarious and well written--but in and of itself it's just not that interesting to me, because I have my own slush pile and live with it every day, I talk about slush with the people in my life, etc. For me, reading posts about slush is like reading a book which draws on insider knowledge of a profession or world few readers have any personal knowledge of (high fashion, forensic investigation, deep sea diving, whatever): if I am one of the few who is familiar with the subject, there has to be something more there to draw my interest. and usually that's either the way the author writes about it, or some new-to-me information about my own area of knowledge.

All of which is a just long lead-in to my making an atypical post about slush, since I have recently had a completely new experience. I'm sure it isn't unique in the history of the submission process or the annals of publishing or anything--but where slush is concerned, it's the first thing to have happened to me in years that I've never seen before.

This past weekend, I received the following email [names removed]:

Dear Diana,

Per your request, please find attached chapters 4-6 of my ms.

Thank you for your interest!

X

_____________________________________________________________

From: Diana Fox [diana@foxliterary.com]

Sent: Monday 11-24-2008 17:35 AM
To: X [address redacted]

Subject: manuscript proposal

Dear X,

Please send three or four sample chapters that I can look over.

Cordially,

Diana




Now, you might think this was a perfectly normal exchange... except, I HAD NEVER EMAILED THIS AUTHOR. Or rather, I never sent him the email in question; I checked my records and found that I actually sent him a form rejection on November 18th. I then responded:

Dear X,

I can't understand why you would compose a fake request email from me as you have done below, but I didn't send out any requests on Monday, November 24th. It's also very clear that you have never received a request from me as I would never phrase it as you did, or ask for chapters 4-6 of a manuscript, or open a .doc attachment.


I concluded by asking him never to darken my virtual door again, but the thing that I can't understand is, what would possess an author to do something like that in the first place? The dude made up a FAKE REQUEST EMAIL from me after I rejected him! Did he think I request so many things that I would believe I'd somehow just forgotten I requested his manuscript? It takes a lot to surprise me, but seriously, what was he thinking?

It's not just the dishonesty of his tactics that I found so unpleasant, but I hate incompetence--after all, if he'd done his research and found this blog, he'd have known I always request full manuscripts to save time. Moral of the story: being dishonest is bad, being dishonest AND stupid is worse. (And also, of course, that aspiring authors should never do what this person did... but I can't believe any of my readers would need to be told that!)

Has anyone else either had this happen to them, or heard of it happening?
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From: [personal profile] annathepiper


Somewhere in those 20,000 words I am cutting from the book I need to requery you may be words to describe the amount of FAIL here.

But so far I ain't finding 'em.

From: [identity profile] pats-quinade.livejournal.com


Aha! But little did you realize that that was my DESIGNED-TO-FAIL fake request that I sent out just to test your defenses.

Enclosed, AS AN RTF, please find MY FULL MANUSCRIPT, which you requested. Pardon me, as my e-mail deleted the quotes section that would show the e-mail you originally sent asking for the full manuscript, and not as a Word doc. La la la.

From: [identity profile] jen-deben.livejournal.com


Hee! I've never heard of this being done to an agent before, but as a lab instructor, I have noticed that students who fudge their data usually do so incompetently.

And when their data proves something that is physically impossible? Kinda makes it easy for me to spot the cheating.

From: [identity profile] bfrazjd.livejournal.com


It is actually kind of clever, in a sad way. I used to represent a screenplay agent, and she would actually receive queries WITH HER OWN BUSINESS CARD ENCLOSED, with a note from the person seeking representation saying something like, "We met at __________, and you gave me your card and told me to send in my script." Well, the person had been at a seminar at which my client had spoken and grabbed a business card to use for this purpose! Desperation yields crazy behaviors!

From: [identity profile] fusepark.livejournal.com


There's a rule to be had here. Something like, The Greater the Desperation, the Worse the Manuscript. I've not only seen it, I've done it. Sigh, old times...

From: [identity profile] stargatedragon.livejournal.com


talk about desperate.

:P

and at what point did he think that he'd have to tell the truth about his little lie?

*rolls eyes*


From: [identity profile] elyssany.livejournal.com


Oh wow. I've never heard of this one. It's boggling, and I don't know what the guy was thinking. At all. Or if he was even thinking? Maybe if we take this to be a real positive in that he must have really, really wanted you as an agent and so the snowball lie began.

Though to do an e-mail like that . . . wow. Wow. Wow.


From: [identity profile] kakkobean.livejournal.com


*dies*

WHAT.

*rolls around holding head in confusion as to why someone would think that this would actually work and why they'd spend the time doing it instead of just going to somebody else*

From: [identity profile] lauriemrauch.livejournal.com


Ok, I still haven't figure this one out. Beyond the idiocy of this submission... what time is 17:35 AM? Even on a 24-hour clock, 17:35 will always take place in the PM. :)

From: [identity profile] smofbabe.livejournal.com


And even if you might not keep good records and might not be entirely sure whether you wrote him, you certainly would know the usual wording that you use when requesting manuscripts so the odds of this actually working are just zilch.

From: [identity profile] sarahmaclean.livejournal.com


wow. are you kidding? this is ballsy and awful. this is ballful.
you are a better person than i...i would have outted him. publicly. to the entire industry.
this is why i am not an agent. :)

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From: [identity profile] beth-bernobich.livejournal.com


Oh my. That person failed on so many different levels.

Did you hear about the blogger who claimed she landed a deal by faking a lunch date with editors? She said she called up the assistants, asking to confirm a (made-up) lunch date she had with the editor. Her theory was that editors are so busy, the assistant would just assume the details had fallen through the cracks. The blogger claimed that one editor fell for the trick, showed up and paid for lunch, then accepted the manuscript from the author.

The blogger has since removed the posts, so her story is definitely a fake. What's scary is that dozens of her readers thought this was a clever idea.


From: [identity profile] livia-llewellyn.livejournal.com


Ok, I think THAT is the most fucked-up publishing lie I've heard about. If she had kept up with the lie, would she have then eventually made fake posts about editing the proofs? Made up a bunch of fake ARC's to photograph? Faked a sale and contract for a sequel, or maybe faked a post about how the book was pulled from production at the last minute? OMG, the possibilities for even more EPIC FAIL on her part makes me sad she pulled the posts. :)

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From: [identity profile] burger-eater.livejournal.com


"She'll thank me for lying when she offers to represent me because my book is so wonderful. Years, from now, we'll laugh about it, I'm sure."

From: [identity profile] holly-jahangiri.livejournal.com

No, I'm not surprised


Having known people to fake their DEATHS, why would I be surprised by this? Of course, this author could have just committed career suicide, had you not been kind enough to omit names. Then, at least, it wouldn't have been a fake.

From: [identity profile] lucindabetts.livejournal.com


He meant to say "...chapters 1-3..." but he wasn't too keen with numbers either!

From: [identity profile] zumayabooks.livejournal.com

It's not the slush, it's the slushees


I'm constantly amazed at the lengths unprofessional aspiring authors will go through. Such as telling me they looked ALL OVER MY WEBSITE and couldn't find the email to send submissions.

Which is on the guidelines page. Granted, it's a mailto link and not an address per se, but it's clearly marked. And the addresses they do send to are ones you really have to dig to find.

So, no, can't say this one strikes me as particularly weird. I've never had one go so far as to include a faked email from me as part of their response, but I've certainly had them send me samples after I told them no, thanks.

I hate to sound sexist, but my observation is it's the male of the species that's most inclined to try and pull this kind of stunt.

From: [identity profile] hoppytoad79.livejournal.com


That's just...wow. Incompetent, indeed, and considering agents talk to one another, I have a feeling this person just guaranteed the only way they'll be published is through a vanity press.

From: [identity profile] tltrent.livejournal.com


Um...oh my. Why would anyone...? *scratches head*

Why do these people not realize how much valuable time they waste?

From: [identity profile] daniellejoseph.livejournal.com


What a freak! Did he think by picking specific chapts that it would seem more authentic? I wonder who else he has done this to? He's probably a really lonely guy!

From: [identity profile] barnardagency.livejournal.com


Wow. That's just plain sneaky. Do these people think we are stupid? I track every single email I send out in categories of query, 5 page, 3 chapter, etc. I would know in a heartbeat if someone sent something I never requested.

*shakes her head*

From: [identity profile] dj-jazzy-joel.livejournal.com

Another Possible Response


You could also send him another email now. Fake an email from him, in which he says he wants to be told what an asshole he is, and how bad his writing is. Attach it to your response, in which you oblige.

The only downside, of course, is that you don't want to talk to him anymore, and this might draw further communications.

From: [identity profile] moondancerdrake.livejournal.com


*mouth hanging open* wow, some people go above and beyond the call of duty when the set out to do something stupid.
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